18 June 2011



I was at a party last week and met an Irish woman who mentioned she has a friend living in San Francisco and has visited her a couple of times. I asked her what she thought of the city and she said she liked it, that she especially found the surrounding areas (Napa, Marin, out to Yosemite) quite beautiful, but she didn’t at all like the people in San Francisco. “They’re so shallow and phony,” she said.

Wha, wha, what??? I had already told her I was from San Francisco, which is why we were even talking about it, and she said this right to my face, with many other people sitting around and listening. I felt challenged, in a bar-fight kind of way, except I was sober and it was a really nice garden party; in other words, there would be no punches thrown at anybody.

When I asked why she had such a poor opinion of my peeps in the City by the Bay, she said something about going out to bars with women friends of her friend and how they only faked interest in conversation with her while blatantly checking out men or whatever they were REALLY interested in. She listed other reasons that were along the same line, basically that everyone in San Francisco is so clearly on the prowl for the next best thing, they can’t possibly appreciate the organic realness of what is right in front of them.

As I was sputtering my objections, someone at the table piped up with, “Yeah, well, if you think that’s bad, you should go to Southern California, which is the Eden of all that is phony and shallow.” Or something to that effect. There was general complaining about how Californians “hug too much” and “ask ‘How are you’ when they don’t even care.”

Helloooo! Born and raised there!! How rude! Okay, yes, we are kind of huggy and we do say, “Hey, how are you doing?” a lot but so do other cultures; one of the first phrases I learned in Norwegian was, “Hvordan går det?” which means “How’s it going?” I was also taught to say, “Hvordan går det med deg?” which means “How’s it going with you?” and is to be used WHEN YOU REALLY CARE how it’s going, not just when you’re (apparently shallowly) making small talk. So, hmmph, it’s not just phony Americans!

Anyway, I did my best to defend my homies until someone changed the topic and, later, Irish left the table. Of course I jumped up and gave her a hug before she walked away. I enjoyed that.

Normally, conversations like this don’t bother me too much, but this one left a bad taste in my mouth. I’m quite used to people bashing America but this time they were talking smack about California, MY state, and much, much worse, about San Francisco, MY TOWN. Where many of my very-not-phony friends live. It hurt my feelings. It made me mad.

Later, I was droning on about this to a Norwegian friend and she said, “I know how you feel. A lot of my immigrant friends often say negative things to me about Norway and Norwegians. I try to understand their frustration but it can be very hurtful, especially when what they’re saying isn’t true about anyone I know.”

Oh, crap, guilty! I’ve thrown out my fair share of gross overgeneralizations about Norwegians, especially in my first few years after moving here. I don’t do it so much anymore, except to insist that they’re terrible drivers and horrible at waiting in line, but I can’t deny I’ve been there, done that. As, I suspect, have most of you, about one culture or another.

During the bad E. coli scare in Germany earlier this month, I read a comment in the New York Times from a Spaniard complaining that, of course, Germany blamed Spain for spreading the illness with its dirty vegetables. “As always,” he/she wrote, “Northern European countries are pointing their accusing fingers at the southern European countries. The typical opposite clichés of the ‘hard-working, thrifty and efficient German’ and the ‘fun loving, slothful, dishonest and unproductive Spaniard.’ Nevermind that the average Spaniard works longer hours than the average German.” And, of course, it turned out that the E. coli came from an organic German farm!

It wouldn’t be difficult for me to list twenty totally false “truisms” about twenty different nationalities from all over the world. Probably you can, too. Well, I’m going to use my unfortunate anti-San Franciscan party experience to remind me not to do the same to other people anymore. No more stupid generalizations! No more idiotic clichés! And the next time someone looks me in the eye and utters some nonsense about my people---Americans, Californians, San Franciscans, women, even Norwegians---I’m going to get right back at them and remind them that, although they may have experienced behavior A, B, or C with some people, it is absolutely wrong to blanket an entire people with any accusation. And then I’ll give them a hug. Because that’s what I do.

10 comments:

Anonymous said...

HI Michelle, I'm Andrea's mother (from Canada) and we have plenty of U.S.A. bashers in our fair land and get a lot of untrue generalizations made about us - one being that we are so polite we thank the bank machine when it gives us our cash. I have travelled a fair bit and can honestly say that human beings are as varied as they can be in every country in the world. I love your blog by the way. You come across as a very un-ugly American......only kidding. Phyllis

Michele said...

Hi Phyllis! So lovely to "meet" you. :-) Your comment really made me laugh, as I'd never heard that one about Canadians thanking bank machines---that's funny! I worked with a few Canadians here and they told me all about the stereotypical view of Americans in Canada; hmmmm, come to think of it, they seemed to really enjoy those stories. I got them back, though; they asked me what Americans thought of Canadians and I said, "We don't." hahahahah Ahh, now I'm just perpetuating the myths, right? Apologies all around. Anyway, I absolutely agree with you that people are very different and very interesting, if we take the time to get to know them. I'm SO looking forward to getting to know Andrea while she's here. It's really soon! Her room is all ready for her and I've made the arrangements for our trip to Bergen---we're going to have a great time. I'll take very good care of your daughter, I promise. Hugs from Norway!

Anonymous said...

The fact that you two are getting together is a testament to the fact that souls connect from where ever they come from. We have so enjoyed reading about your brave adventure in a strange land which is much more typical of the American personality than the stereotype most people choose to embrace. Thank you for looking after my daughter and have a great time together. By the way, I hope Irish girl has dealt with all the cliches directed towards her folks, some good - some bad.
Phyllis

Irish Nomad said...

Michele,
For the record, I'm Irish and spent 3 of the best months of my life in San Francisco when I was 21. In fact, I loved it so much there that I applied for and received a green card and only returned to Ireland because I had a year left on my degree course. (I left again straight after - unfortunately not for SF though).
It's easy to make generalizations based on limited experience. We all do it at times. Sounds like you've turned this negative experience into a positive one :)

Trigve said...

Great post! I agree generalizations are silly - but can be a lot of fun:) After having lived in a few different countries I am convinced people are basically the same..some hard working some lazy...some fun, some serious etc. It's the countries' traditions and politics that make them so different. IMHO :)
The US greeting I do not care for is "nice to meet you". How do you know it's nice to meet the person when you don't know them? :) I prefer the more uptight, older British greeting "How do you do?" :)

Vidarp said...

I'm sorry for going a bit off topic about your post Michele. I couldn't find an e-mail so I could send you this in private, but I figured I could just post it here instead. I see that you have comment moderation enabled so I hope you'll get it eventually :)

I want to thank you for writing such an interesting blog. I'm not really all that into blogs (or didn't use to be atleast), but I have to say that I've enjoyed reading all of your posts so far.

Being norwegian born myself, I find it really nice and very interesting to get an insight at the challenges and the surprises (good or bad) that moving to another country can involve. It has, at times, been a real eye opener and I've often found myself wondering about how unfriendly the system, and indeed some of the people, can be towards people who are unfamiliar with the culture, the language and the rules.

You make really good posts, long posts about everything it seems and I love reading such things. I was looking for the good and the bad and you've given me plenty of both to read about! I've also learned quite a bit from it and I now try to add a couple of extra seconds between the car in front of me when I drive, which isn't often since I don't own a car here in Trondheim, but also try to be more polite and considerate when I'm in queue at the bank or in the grocery store and the like. (Not that I really think it was such a big problem for me to begin with)

I must say, I couldn't help but admire the strength that both you and your husband must have had in you to both make the move and then endure the hardships that came with it. The strange thing is that I was actually planning on moving to North Carolina myself to be with my fiancé, tho I found the whole thing a bit too big of a change to me at the moment and I regret saying that I didn't go through with it last christmas. Makes me wonder which is better, moving from a big place to a small one or from a small place to a big one. Most likely I'd have to make a blog similar to yours to keep my sanity at times if I did/do move.

Anyhoo.. Once again, thank you so much and I wish you guys all the best!
(Oh, I'm wondering if you have caught a glimse of the whole slow tv/Hurtigruten thing on nrk2 lately)

Michele said...

@ Phyllis -- I hope we get to meet in real life one day. xxoo

@ I Nomad -- imagine, if you had stayed in SF, we might have met and become best friends! Well, until my next best friend came along, right? ;-) Thank you for the props to my city---she's dirty, dangerous, and stupidly expensive but she's mine. :-)

@ Trigve -- but when you ask, "How do you do?" do you REALLY care? ;-)

@ Vidarp -- I hope it's okay I posted your comment here; please tell me if you'd rather I remove it. But I wanted to respond to you and say how humbled I am by your incredibly kind and generous words. Thank you very much! I write my blog because I enjoy doing it, and I entertain some faint hope that others might like it, too, but I never dare to think that anything I write could have any affect besides giving a chuckle or two. So your comment means more to me than you can possibly imagine. Thank you again. I have heard many good things about Trondheim and am terribly curious about it, so hope to visit it one day soon. As for moving to North Carolina, well, that would be a big change, I think, although it is a lovely place with very friendly people. Nice winters, too. :-) The beaches are fantastic and Raleigh is a good city. But it would be different, very different. If you do move, you must write a blog---I would read every post! Hope to hear from you again. Hugs! :-)

Michele said...

@ Vidarp -- I forgot to say, my next post will be about the Hurtigruten voyage. Stay tuned!

JPRESTI said...

Maybe the Irish chick just hangs out with the wrong people.

Vidarp said...

Michele,
I don't mind you posting it at all :) I've spent a great deal of time in Wilmington, North Carolina and I really do like it there, but I think it's quite different to visit some place on a vacation than it is to work and live there.

Looking forward to your views about the Hurtigruten voyage as there's been quite alot of talk about it lately in the media/among people here.

As far as generalization goes, I agree with what Irish Nomad wrote. It's an easy thing to do and most of us are guilty of doing it. However, I think it's common sense and curtesy to show some consideration with the people you're with. I figure that if your opinions might hurt someone who is sitting near enough to hear, you should just keep your opinions to yourself.

I dont blame you for feeling hurt, Michele, but I think it's important to focus on the high level of ignorance that such an statement includes. Made me grin when I read that you snuk a hug from Irish before she left despite the things she had said.

I find a good dose of self irony one of the best defenses for generalizations. Indeed, one of my co-workers just told me that one of the reasons for why "sunnmøringer" (people who are from the Ålesund area in Møre og Romsdal and famous for their stinginess) have such big noses, is because air is free. He said that well knowing that I come from that area, but it made me chuckle despite the fact that I don't have a big nose and I'm not stingy.

Just yesterday, I went to the library (I didn't do it to save money on buying the book mind you, just didnt want to wait for the book to be shipped to my adress) to borrow a book called "Brown Cheese Please". It's the cutest book that is written by Jenny K. Blake, an Australian who is living in Norway. It contains alot of generalizations about Norwegians seen from her point of view which I absolutely found amusing.. and slightly true ;)